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| Apology for team kill - Forum - Elite Tactical Squad |
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Apology for team kill
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| Crispy |
Date: Saturday, 2012-02-18, 12:46 PM | Message # 1 |
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Group: Forum member
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Messages: 5
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Hello, I wanted to formally apologize for team killing you. In recent times I've been abused by previous clans and admins for illegitimate purposes simply because I don't do well with people barking orders without any specification of rules or server type. While there wasn't much specified in reference to the rules until I came to this website I realized the mistake I made.
I apologize for the behavior and now understand the strict tactical rules that have been put in place. I came from ARMA 2. I'm used to tactics of a more advanced nature where people already know they're job and don't need to be necessarily told about EVERYTHING to do half the time. Common sense applies in Military Simulators especially when running on the map Fallujea (That's no joke).
My Real life training is that of Professional Bodyguard work. I'm a licensed Personal Protection Specialist. SO point being is I can take the hint of how the rules apply to the clan.
I'm asking for a second chance. The choice of course is to that of you're own discretion. However I would plead you to reconsider me. I'm sorry......thanks for reading.
-Crispy |
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| Hunter |
Date: Saturday, 2012-02-18, 1:17 PM | Message # 2 |
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Group: Server admin
Xfire username: hunter4207
Messages: 910
Status: Offline |
Dear Crispy,
I'm glad you decided to apologize, because i found your teamkill to me as rude and dirty. You makes me very mad. Killing people, because you don't want to stick with server rules and because you don't want understand their tactic is serious wrong.
I hope you realized your mistake, and you will keep it on mind. I'm going to talk about you with others SA and CL.
Here is additional information.
http://www.markmods.com/banlist/bandetail/547&cheaterid=61997/
http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/121719689-4.jpg
http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/121719680-4.jpg
Hunter
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| Struis |
Date: Saturday, 2012-02-18, 1:41 PM | Message # 3 |
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Group: Server admin
Xfire username: Struis1
Messages: 510
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Teamkilling is a serious offence on our servers, so we don't take situations like this lightly. I'm especially suprised that someone who claims to be a 'licensed Personal Protection Specialist' wasn't able to control himself...
I'm not against removing your ban as it seams that you understand that you were wrong here. I do hope that you realize (in case your ban gets removed) however that you will be banned permanently if you ever show this kind of behaviour again on one of our servers.
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| Sokol |
Date: Saturday, 2012-02-18, 1:53 PM | Message # 4 |
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Group: Clan Manager
Xfire username: dariocod2
Messages: 996
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Quote (Crispy) Hello, I wanted to formally apologize for team killing you. In recent times I've been abused by previous clans and admins for illegitimate purposes simply because I don't do well with people barking orders without any specification of rules or server type. While there wasn't much specified in reference to the rules until I came to this website I realized the mistake I made.
I apologize for the behavior and now understand the strict tactical rules that have been put in place. I came from ARMA 2. I'm used to tactics of a more advanced nature where people already know they're job and don't need to be necessarily told about EVERYTHING to do half the time. Common sense applies in Military Simulators especially when running on the map Fallujea (That's no joke).
My Real life training is that of Professional Bodyguard work. I'm a licensed Personal Protection Specialist. SO point being is I can take the hint of how the rules apply to the clan.
I'm asking for a second chance. The choice of course is to that of you're own discretion. However I would plead you to reconsider me. I'm sorry......thanks for reading.
Hey Crispy,
I wasn't in the server when this conflict happened so I can't say much except that Hunter did good with banning you from server.You should have taken some time to check server rules and/or tactics.That way this could have been avoided.
If you aren't comfortable with other people commanding you , then what are you doing playing swat ?
And like you said, you were in conflict before with other clans for same reason, not feeling alright to be ordered to.
Since you weren't familiar with our rules and you come from more-less different game,writting ban appeal got you a "thumbs up" from me so I have no problem giving you a second chance. 
You can't climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets.
Message edited by Sokol - Saturday, 2012-02-18, 1:59 PM |
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| Crispy |
Date: Saturday, 2012-02-18, 2:03 PM | Message # 5 |
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Noted. I'm new to SWAT community. Hunter posed as another player named "Joker" later on revealing the name. SO naturally I had a random player telling me, "Did I give you the order to optiwand that door?" If you could see it from my perspective I didn't understand how much serious harm there was considering the only other door was wedged and I was merely attempting to help speed up the threat assessment check by thinking ahead to assist players in making the game easier. However now that I know everything in SWAT is PROTOCOL FIRST, acting second; the situation has changed.
"Teamkilling is a serious offence on our servers, so we don't take situations like this lightly. I'm especially suprised that someone who claims to be a 'licensed Personal Protection Specialist' wasn't able to control himself..."
While I appreciate you're initial decision I must say this,
I'm a newbie and newbies make mistakes and are unaware of the strictness of tactics that follow with certain servers that enforce them. Second, with all due respect even though I was in you're server, you don't constitute the right to judge me based on a team kill and then pass judgement on a me from that action in a video game to determine who I am in real life. That's judging a book by it's cover.
I clearly went out of my way to find the clan, register on the forums and post the apology after reading the rules on the "Forums" and realizing my mistake. I have trigger discipline and emotional control than most people you've probably met and have guarded clients that would probably make you walk off "Site location"; yet I remain in the business. Tells you something.
Message edited by Crispy - Saturday, 2012-02-18, 2:04 PM |
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| Hunter |
Date: Saturday, 2012-02-18, 2:52 PM | Message # 6 |
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Group: Server admin
Xfire username: hunter4207
Messages: 910
Status: Offline |
Quote (Crispy) Noted. I'm new to SWAT community. Hunter posed as another player named "Joker" later on revealing the name. SO naturally I had a random player telling me...
Yes i was undercover, admin often do it to check situation on server. It's clearly that players calm down when see tags. I saw you're newbie together with RussianFederation (another player in game), so i told you what to do and what not. I wanted to teach you and your reward for that all was bullet right into the face.
We usually don't using optiwands, it's suck and it looks like unprofessionally . Anyway i didn't tell you to take it.
Admins job is keep server in "friendly quality". As you showed, you don't know how to behave agains normal players, but now you had bad day. Hopefully you noticed that server without any "player with ETS tags" doesn't mean that you can play there without rules.
I'm gonna proceed with Ban Appeal overview. I'll make you monitored when i'll come home at today evening. Untill this time member can leave their opinions about that all.
Hunter
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| Sokol |
Date: Saturday, 2012-02-18, 2:58 PM | Message # 7 |
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Group: Clan Manager
Xfire username: dariocod2
Messages: 996
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Quote (Crispy) I'm a newbie and newbies make mistakes and are unaware of the strictness of tactics that follow with certain servers that enforce them.
Quote (Crispy) I clearly went out of my way to find the clan, register on the forums and post the apology after reading the rules on the "Forums" and realizing my mistake.
Yes of course.You aren't familiar with the way SWAT community runs so in my opinion that is enough for removing your ban.
Quote (Hunter) We usually don't using optiwands, it's suck and it looks like unprofessionally .
We are trying not to use them as much as possible.Wanding is rather slow.We use something called "Slice the pie" or simply Scan to check rooms and corners.
Optiwands should be used only when you're going stealth and when you have not compromised yourself.If you are compromised then mirroring a door can be dangerous.Suspects might discover your position and simply shoot through door and kill the Wand-man.Of course in this game it is not possible that suspect(AI) will shoot at door if you're mirroring it but that's just part of realism we are enforcing.
Each person has his own way of clearing a map.Different tactical approach to a mission.So Crispy, don't think optiwands are completely useless or unproffessional just most people try to avoid it mainly cause it is too slow.
You can't climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets.
Message edited by Sokol - Saturday, 2012-02-18, 3:13 PM |
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| JoLTy |
Date: Saturday, 2012-02-18, 3:26 PM | Message # 8 |
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Group: Clan Member
Xfire username: sensesfail89
Messages: 178
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ETS has been using Optiwands for years, the only reason we don't use it anymore is simply becuse it takes away the challenge, Optiwands makes the game so easy and booring, its better to use the Scans instead.
I don't know or care what you do in real life crispy, but to teamkill becuse a guy is trying to lead your squad is extremely childish and idiotic, you deserve to be banned permanently from our server becuse of that stuff,
If your ban is removed here you can consider yourself very lucky. Personally i think this guy should remain banned, this kind of perssons dosent deserve to be on our servers.
Message edited by JoLTy - Saturday, 2012-02-18, 3:29 PM |
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| Crispy |
Date: Saturday, 2012-02-18, 4:41 PM | Message # 9 |
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In reference to the optiwands what has been explained so far makes a lot of sense. It's very specific however and quite uncommon. But I find it interesting and it sounds like the way you guys have those rules set up makes it more of a challenge; which I like.
I'm always used to going stealth in single player missions so to not use the optiwand was definitely strange for me.
"but to teamkill becuse a guy is trying to lead your squad is extremely childish and idiotic, you deserve to be banned permanently from our server becuse of that stuff,"
I'm sorry you feel that way but as I say I went out of my way to find the clan, register to the forums and apologize which included connecting to teamspeak to make attempts to apologize to Hunter through voice.
In my opinion (if it matters or not) is that it takes something to admit you were wrong and learn from the mistake as well as not repeat it.
I'm open minded and willing to learn, which I have much to learn. However as I said before I have trigger discipline and specified in this particular post that I like stealth which means I don't like to run around and go Rambo. Perhaps I didn't show that which Hunter but creating fabrications such as, "I'm a public player and you have to NOT use optiwand because I said so and didn't give the order." That was a bit strange to me. *shrug*
Ofcourse now that the fabrications have been fleshed out with what's really going on, that and input from the members. It makes sense to me, so for a second time....I apologize and you won't see or hear about me doing it again....ever...period.
With the facts that have been explained to me however by the members now it makes sense as well as the Team leader command protocol being strict, I don't mind any of that. Sounds like fun to me. Immerse if anything.
Message edited by Crispy - Saturday, 2012-02-18, 5:01 PM |
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| Struis |
Date: Saturday, 2012-02-18, 5:30 PM | Message # 10 |
Lieutenant general
Group: Server admin
Xfire username: Struis1
Messages: 510
Status: Offline |
Quote (Crispy) While I appreciate you're initial decision I must say this,
I'm a newbie and newbies make mistakes and are unaware of the strictness of tactics that follow with certain servers that enforce them. Second, with all due respect even though I was in you're server, you don't constitute the right to judge me based on a team kill and then pass judgement on a me from that action in a video game to determine who I am in real life. That's judging a book by it's cover.
I'm not judging you in real life or claim that I know who you really are. I'm judging your actions in this game and on our server. In my opinion you clearly lost your temper/control in this situation, since we aren't talking about a 'mistake cause of a lack of knowledge about our server rules/tactics'. You teamkilled another player because you didn't like the fact that he ordered you around and commented on your gameplay. You don't need to read any rules to know that teamkilling isn't allowed here, or on any COOP server you'll find in SWAT community.
Last but not least: it was your own choice to include information about your real life in your ban appeal. If you don't like to be commented on it, then maybe you should have left it out...
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| Crispy |
Date: Saturday, 2012-02-18, 6:09 PM | Message # 11 |
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I heard you like Ostriches.... |
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| ANDY |
Date: Saturday, 2012-02-18, 6:12 PM | Message # 12 |
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Group: Clan Member
Xfire username: P1A2D3D4Y5
Messages: 270
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Crisp I sent you a few PM's explaining how it works here at ETS Servers. Read it and learn what you can from it.. if you get allowed back in to the servers maybe you will act more professional. Personally I've seen lots of people Team Kill others before and not seen such a huge deal about them doing as I've been reading here. People get angry and fuk up when their pissed. Even I've snapped in my time and killed or wounded others with my temper.. It happened once and I think he can learn from it and all the help everyone has been writing here. Seen worse case's get second chances. Team Kill because of bad misunderstanding of ETS server rules or tactics is not as diabolical as some of you are making out lol. Maybe I'm just in a good mood But everyone deserves a second chance.
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| Hunter |
Date: Saturday, 2012-02-18, 6:50 PM | Message # 13 |
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Group: Server admin
Xfire username: hunter4207
Messages: 910
Status: Offline |
I guess Struis, Sokol and JoLTy explained the situation enough, so i don't need to write same. But be sure, if i'll see you once again going such a things, then it's your LAST staying in ETS and no more your Appeals against ban will be recieved.
We will give you second chance, but don't try to miss it. It might be very unpleasant then.
Please do NOT change your nick (name in game), or let us know about changes in time.
You are *MONITORED* on normal server for one month (untill 18.3. 2012). See Ban Appeal overview for more info.
Hunter
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| Shadowhunt |
Date: Saturday, 2012-02-18, 7:19 PM | Message # 14 |
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Well Crispy, when it comes to teamkilling on purpose it's very serious. And as you claim to be a professional bodyguard, you definitely should be able to control your anger at all situations. We all know accidents happen, where you have managed to kill the guy in front of you. But when you kill a team member for ordering you around I personally think that you don't have anything at all to do with this game. There's another rule that says you have to follow leaders orders and of course that includes whether he's an ETS member or not. You still have to follow orders. However you can make suggestions on how to tackle the situation. But to get to the point, I think you do deserve a second chance. But I don't think Hunter or any other admin will think twice about removing you again.
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| Crispy |
Date: Saturday, 2012-02-18, 7:40 PM | Message # 15 |
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You guys do training sessions? Love me some training.
Please stick with the topic. If you have some wishes you can write it here. // Hunter
Message edited by Crispy - Saturday, 2012-02-18, 7:41 PM |
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